trying to grok

Sarah,

Are you seriously trying to say that our military operations in Iraq do not cause horror among the children who are near them? Or are you just trying to point out that while we have dome a vast amount of damage and caused a huge loss of civilian life with acompannying horror, we are also trying to help and have made some people happier? The latter point could be made, but as a response to Kerry it's a non sequitur.

There is a reason that 80% of Iraqis want the U.S troops out of their country entirely.

"And there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the--of--the historical customs, religious customs."

I though of another angle. Perhaps you are saying that our troops do need to keep breaking into people's houses at night and scaring kids, but that is cool so long as during the day we are nice to them? I'd say that's not a great position either.

I wonder if the aptly-named Mr Silly is aware that American police forces sometimes break into people's homes at night and scare children. Does he think that would be a rationale for eliminating police departments?

Good point. I wonder what Mr. Silly thinks about Elian.

Then again ... maybe it IS a good idea to stop "breaking into people's houses at night and scaring kids." That way their rights are only violated during the day. Then that has to stop too. Oh, and if people have human shields, er, children, they must never be confronted. Ever. Parenthood is sacred. And these Rightists talk about "family values." What a joke. Did you know that insurgents, er, freedom fighters, um, Minutemen (thank you, Michael Moore) have children too? Huh? Huh?

Just for the record, I was being sarcastic in that second paragraph.

Dean,
It would be a little tough for tryingtogrok to "be a man" since she happens to be a woman, and as you can see, a very fair-minded one at that (she did post your comments and also Mr. Silly's). Sarah, thank you for showing us the pictures. I loved them and I love my son-in-law and am so proud of him.
Your Mama

David, you are (very dishonestly) conflating local police searching a home with a warrant to foreign soldiers breaking into a house and searching it.

Assuming that Iraq were under the rule of law and that the military had to get warrants to search homes, then it would be a less egregious abuse. But they are not under the rule of law, and according to reports of locals the military is breaking into houses of suspected militants without warrants or any probable cause other than tipoffs which are being used for vendettas.

While I support my police and would allow them to perform a search if they presented a warrant, if foreign soldiers occupying my country were to break into my house and being ransacking, I'd be pissed, and assuming I had the chance, my shotgun would be dispensing a load of buckshot into them.

Our soldiers are supposed to be winning hearts and minds. Part of that would be having the Iraqi authorities performing searches of Iraqis, since nobody wants a foreign soldier in their house.

Also, Amritas, you are confused.

"Part of that would be having the Iraqi authorities performing searches of Iraqis, since nobody wants a foreign soldier in their house."

Nobody wants a soldier searching their house, period.

Iraqis aren't all the same. If you were a Sunni, would you like a Shi'ite breaking into your house and searching it? Or even another Sunni?

Why don't you just argue against *anyone* breaking into people's houses without a warrant?

Anyone who uses "non sequitur." as an arguement listens to too much NPR and is basically an asshat "progressive".

Tom,

Bzzt - wrong. I don't have a radio (not even in the car), and I am a libertarian, not a 'progressive.' Sorry you don't like it when those those dang edumacated people go talkin' all fancy. I'll make sure to use small words if I have a message just for you.

S,
Give your husband a big hug and a kiss on the
cheek from me. I love him. In a strictly platonic
fellow American kind o' way,of course.
Thank you both for serving our country.
Mary

and this is what your husband did to the other children: http://www.information clearing house.info/article6010.htm

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